WVO setup

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WVO setup

Postby Youngcummins » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:00 pm

so i have been collecting WVO for almost a year now, and have over 200 gallons, time to start burning it!!! i have done a fair amount of research into setups, and am going with a simple set up. 2 3way valves, pump, filter, heater, and i think i have the setup ON PAPER as good as a broke college student can make it. so heres a rough drawing, anything im missing? thanks
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1996 Ram 2500 Cummins, 414K miles
2000 S10 reg cab long bed with a 81 LUV c223 5 speed, the runt of the fleet, but the most driven.
2003 Jetta GLS TDI 5sp, 53mpg!!!

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Re: WVO setup

Postby JoeIsuzu » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:04 pm

Please attach the image so we can see it full-size. Do not use photobucket or imageshack.

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Youngcummins » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:08 pm

attach it so its on my account on here? i can do a attachment from PB now, not the greatest pic. otherwise how do i attach a pic to the site? thanks
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1996 Ram 2500 Cummins, 414K miles
2000 S10 reg cab long bed with a 81 LUV c223 5 speed, the runt of the fleet, but the most driven.
2003 Jetta GLS TDI 5sp, 53mpg!!!

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See faq.php#f4r3.

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Youngcummins » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:27 pm

here it is, i hope
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1996 Ram 2500 Cummins, 414K miles
2000 S10 reg cab long bed with a 81 LUV c223 5 speed, the runt of the fleet, but the most driven.
2003 Jetta GLS TDI 5sp, 53mpg!!!

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Slainer » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:27 pm

Looks good but I would ad a temp and pressure gauge right before the IP, so you can monitor your system to see how well it works and catch a potential problem so you break don't down. A small clear fuel screen is helpful to see if you have air in the lines and to catch any junk in the fuels before the IP. If your veggi is not as hot as you want with the return to the tank, you can loop it back to the feed line, I run it back though the FPHE.

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Youngcummins » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:03 pm

i was wondering, since the c223 is in my s10, and i have the v6(4.3l) rad for an auto, the rad has all the tubing in it for the trans cooler. would it be wise to use this at the heat exchanger? i just checked the temp out of the lower hose and it is hovering around 150*, and the truck only runs 170-180 in normal conditions. i havent purchased anything yet for the system, i think it will be a weekend project one of these days. should i run the main filter back at the tank or in the engine compartment? my pops also had what i think is a good idea, have the pump run constantly and heat up the tank itself. would that be wise? and to top it off the oil would be constantly filtered, which cant be a bad thing. and what would the purpose of the pressure gauge be?
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1996 Ram 2500 Cummins, 414K miles
2000 S10 reg cab long bed with a 81 LUV c223 5 speed, the runt of the fleet, but the most driven.
2003 Jetta GLS TDI 5sp, 53mpg!!!

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Re: WVO setup

Postby iPupGary » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:47 pm

I agree with slainer. You should use a diesel sediment filter just before the IP. You may have some thread sealant come loose from your veggie valves and fittings that might find it way into the IP if you don't use a sediment filter. I'm using a WIX 33007 50 micron diesel filter w/ 5/16" fittings (same as the IP input). See the link below:

http://www.fleetfilter.com/filter/wix-fuel-filters/33007.html

I'm not sure if you are planning to use a coolant heated tank heater or not. WVO designs sells a nice one:

http://www.wvodesigns.com/raw-power-hot-stickb.html

What ever your final heating device to warm your veggie is, keep it as close to the IP input as possible. My setup looses about 5 degrees F of heat per foot of path length. The path length is mostly 5/16" hose and the veggie valves.

If you need extra heat a simple method is a higher temperature thermostat. I'm running 205 F stat. My veggie temperature at the IP is between 162 to 175 degrees F.

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Slainer » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:50 am

The pressure gauge will tell you if your filter is clogged or any other problem in the flow of veggi be it design or malfunction. I don't think the trans cooler will give you more than 110 or 120 to cold. Do you'r self a favor get at lest a 16 plate FPHE or bigger it seems to be the way works, some time trying to reinventing the wheel is costly in time and money. On my system with the oil I have I don't heat the tank but I do have a 3/8 coolant hose on veggi tubing and and coolant rapped filter, it works well for me.

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Re: WVO setup

Postby iPupGary » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:39 am

WVO Designs sells a good 20 plate heat exchanger for a reasonable price. They also sell aluminum fittings if you are interested. Veggie creates a green slime when exposed to brass. See the link below:

http://www.wvodesigns.com/fphe-flat-plate-heat-exchanger-wvo.html

I placed my FPHE in the old jack location:

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1999 Isuzu Trooper 3.5L Gas

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Youngcummins » Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:01 pm

is a 20 pllate FPHE large enough? or would a 30 plate one do better?
My rig
1996 Ram 2500 Cummins, 414K miles
2000 S10 reg cab long bed with a 81 LUV c223 5 speed, the runt of the fleet, but the most driven.
2003 Jetta GLS TDI 5sp, 53mpg!!!

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Slainer » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:12 pm

Go for the 20 the 30 is big and would be harder to mount and may take longer to heat up.

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Re: WVO setup

Postby iPupGary » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:09 pm

Saliner is correct. The 30 plate FPHE won't fit in the jack location; its too large. I purchased both sizes and I can tell you from first hand experience.

If you need a little more heat go with a higher temperature coolant thernostat.

-Gary
1982 Chevy Luv 2wd short bed diesel w/ veggie conversion (under construction)
1999 Isuzu Trooper 3.5L Gas

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Re: WVO setup

Postby Youngcummins » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:40 am

since the engine is in a s10 the mounting location will be different, what do you guys run for a pressure gauge and temp gauge?
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1996 Ram 2500 Cummins, 414K miles
2000 S10 reg cab long bed with a 81 LUV c223 5 speed, the runt of the fleet, but the most driven.
2003 Jetta GLS TDI 5sp, 53mpg!!!

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Re: WVO setup

Postby iPupGary » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:02 am

Be careful not to buy a cheap oil temperature gauge. You can be misled with bogus temperature numbers. If you are trying to save a buck this is not the area to do it.

I’m partial to Autometer because I did evaluate their meter. See the link below:

http://www.isuzupup.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14990

I you are using an electronic fuel pressure sensor; you should consider using a pressure snubber between the Tee connection and the pressure sensor. Sudden pressure surges can destroy your fuel pressure sensor.

Most fuel pressure gauge manufacturers will offer a snubber as an option. If not, I bought mine from McMaster-Car.

Fuel Pressure Sensor.jpg


-Gary
1982 Chevy Luv 2wd short bed diesel w/ veggie conversion (under construction)
1999 Isuzu Trooper 3.5L Gas