project frankenstien!

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project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:00 pm

I'm back spent some time in prison :( but still stuck on this idea. from what i understand the c240 has the same block. ive been collecting deminsions. the 240 crank should fit in the c223 block. what i havent found is the length of the con rods if the deck height is the same on both engines then the c240 rods should be about 9mm shorter. if this is so then i would have a 2.5L engine capable of 4000 rpms. with about 18 to 1 compression. the gear timing from the c240 should be compatible. i think the cam for the c223 would work best for the rpms i dont think the pump from the c223t would put out enough fuel to satisfie me. the fuel pump determines peak rpm performance curve. with lower compression a t3 turbo should work nice. the c223 pistons are lighter this is why it can handle higher rpms the rods were lighter so it would be more responsive the industrial c240 rods should be stronger. if some one has had the head of a c223 i would like to know if the liners protrude? if they dont i could run with out a head gasket and get 20 to 1 compression. if there is some one with deminsions i want them. can crunch the numbers if i have them. a cam profile would be nice too. anyways im recruiting help for project frankenstien!
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel07 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:41 pm

HELLO, I HAVE A C240 IN A GEO TRACKER, THEY DO HAVE A QUICKER THROTTLE RESPONSE AND MORE TORQUE ON A HILL THAN A C223. THE 240 IS DIRECT INJECTION AND WET SLEEVED THE 223 HAS INDIRECT INJECTION AND IS NOT SLEEVED. IF AN INJECTION PUMP AND TURBO FROM A C223T WOULD WORK AND IF THE CONNECTING RODS WERE STRONG ENOUGH THE 240 WOULD BE CLOSELY COMPARABLE WITH THE 4JB1T IF I WERE GOING TO TRY THIS I WOULD COMPARE THE CONNECTING RODS OF THE 240 TO THE 4JB1T I THINK THIS IS THE KEY AND WOUKD BE MORE ECONOMICAL THAN IMPORTING AN ENGINE. MY 2CENTS WORTH

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby JoeIsuzu » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:46 pm

Jerry ought to weigh in on this one...

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel07 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:16 pm

AND IF I COULD GET THE RIGHT PRICE FOR MY C240 I WOULD BE FINACIALY SET FOR THE GROUP BUY 8)

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby PUPdiesel » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:10 pm

The C240 and C201 engines are indirect injection just like the C223, but yes they are wet sleeve engines to where they wouldn't need bored out if a cylinder wall was compromised. I actually believe the D-series engines are direct injection, for example the D201 Isuzu engine (which I've seen on Ebay). Also, all these engines usually always have an inline injection pump too, unlike the C223's VE pump.
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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel07 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:32 pm

I WONDER IF THE C240 PISTONS COULD BE USED IN THE C223 BLOCK WITH A REBORE?

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:22 pm

liners are availble for the c223 are you sure the dont have dry liners. specs are id 88mm od 90mm L 163mm with flange. i dont care about the crank ends are different. if the main journals will fit.
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:24 pm

i would go with a c240 but the lighter pistons and rod pins for the rpms is what im looking to take from the c223
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:25 pm

rod length is something i havent found.
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel07 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:45 pm

IF YOU CAN GET THE 240 LINERS UNBORED YOU CAN HAVE THEM BORED TO 88MM INSTEAD OF 90MM?

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:51 am

the c240 liners have a 88mm od
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:52 am

only the flange is 90mm
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:02 am

why the intrest in putting c240 pistons in a c223? they are smaller diam. but they are longer have a longer compression hieght and a longer wrist pin all that makes weight that limits peak rpm. you would have a 2.1L engine that could only run 3000 rpm.
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby diesel Dr » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:17 am

are you sure the c223 doesnt have dry liners? and do you know if the c240 has dry liners. if it does and the c223 doesnt then i should be able to pull the liners out of the c240 and run c223 pistons. that would make life easy. all i would have to do is find a good pump.
i have a 1980 luv on a 1982 pup frame with custom box and about 5 inchs of lift a 1984 pup engine and trans running 29" mud terains

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Re: project frankenstien!

Postby JoeIsuzu » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:11 am

diesel Dr wrote:are you sure the c223 doesnt have dry liners? and do you know if the c240 has dry liners. if it does and the c223 doesnt then i should be able to pull the liners out of the c240 and run c223 pistons. that would make life easy. all i would have to do is find a good pump.

The C223 has no liners at all.

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