Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

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Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby GeoRoadram » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:01 pm

Just in case anyone is interested, I wanted to post some pictures of a rare oddity. It is apparently a 1993 C223T from the Japanese domestic market. I have been searching for, and collecting, C223's for about 15 years, and have never seen one of these. I also have C201's and C240's also, and it is definitely not one of those either. Anyway. just picked it up from the freight terminal today and wanted to share it. I will try to see if the pictures can upload onto this post, sorry about the cheap digital camera.
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby JoeIsuzu » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:33 pm

Wow! Wonder which connecting rods are in it, and if it has Jerry's "fix" for the over-rev problem that they had planned to implement just before they took it off the US market.

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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby gearbox » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:49 pm

How would you like to change that starter ? thanks for the pics .
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby OzarkDaredevil » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:41 pm

I want one!
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby GeoRoadram » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:54 pm

Well, upon further inspection, a few things are evident. First, there are no holes visible in the oil pan (4WD) caused by flying piston rods. That is a good thing. Second, it turns over perfectly with a socket on the crank pulley. It supposedly has only about 60,000 mi... And third, there is a sticker on the valve cover which is difficult to read. But it appears to have a date of manufacture of 12/84. Which would make it from an '85 model year, not a '93. I was told that it came from Canada, and was imported there from Japan. Could it be a Canadian model, instead of Japanese? Or maybe the valve cover was replaced at some time? It does not appear, at least visually, that it has ever been apart. Does this make sense to anyone? Has anyone ever heard of one of these? Any info would be helpful. Would Mr. Lemond possibly have an idea where this is from? Thanks very much, Geo
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby Gerald K4NHN » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:10 am

If you have a 86 Trooper diesel, you get it out by going in thru the fender well.

gearbox wrote:How would you like to change that starter ? thanks for the pics .
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby Paul » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:19 am

George--

Very cool!

From looking at the gear train on your n/a engine, I am thinking that the injection pump on the gear driven turbo engine will not be the same as one on a belt driven engine. Reason is that the pump drive gear is now rotating in the opposite direction from the sprocket on a belt driven engine. If you will look on the pump ID tags you should see VE4/L for a left hand driven pump and VE4/R for a right hand driven pump.

I also think that you will find that the high pressure injection lines are connected in a different sequence than they would for a belt driven engine.

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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby GeoRoadram » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:48 am

Hi Paul, Now that is a very interesting observation, I never even thought about that. If I get some time later I will try to find some numbers on the pump. Maybe it would be a somewhat rare pump also? Anyway, I apologize for dropping off the radar screen last year. Some domestic issues arose that I have had to deal with, and were all consuming. But I do still have that injection pump here that I would like to send to you sometime. I still have your email, and it is still on my project list.
Thanks for the IP observation, very interesting. Any idea where this thing came from?
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby OzarkDaredevil » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:31 am

JoeIsuzu wrote:Wow! Wonder which connecting rods are in it, and if it has Jerry's "fix" for the over-rev problem that they had planned to implement just before they took it off the US market.

Jack


Jack,
I'm not familiar with the over-rev issue. Is a quick & easy description possible?

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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby JoeIsuzu » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:28 pm

OzarkDaredevil wrote:Jack,
I'm not familiar with the over-rev issue. Is a quick & easy description possible?

Tom

Here's Jerry's post:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5221&p=31130#p31130

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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby Paul » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:55 am

GeoRoadram wrote:Hi Paul, Now that is a very interesting observation, I never even thought about that. If I get some time later I will try to find some numbers on the pump. Maybe it would be a somewhat rare pump also? Anyway, I apologize for dropping off the radar screen last year. Some domestic issues arose that I have had to deal with, and were all consuming. But I do still have that injection pump here that I would like to send to you sometime. I still have your email, and it is still on my project list.
Thanks for the IP observation, very interesting. Any idea where this thing came from?




George--

Wondered where you got off to.

No, I don't know where these engines might have come from, although I have heard the gear drive was used in other countries. I must suppose that the left hand pump is very rare here in the US.

Take care--

Paul
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby JLEMOND » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:52 am

GeoRoadram wrote:Hi Paul, Now that is a very interesting observation, I never even thought about that. If I get some time later I will try to find some numbers on the pump. Maybe it would be a somewhat rare pump also? Anyway, I apologize for dropping off the radar screen last year. Some domestic issues arose that I have had to deal with, and were all consuming. But I do still have that injection pump here that I would like to send to you sometime. I still have your email, and it is still on my project list.
Thanks for the IP observation, very interesting. Any idea where this thing came from?


HI GEORGE, I BET THAT ENG WAS FROM ONE OF THE SMALL COMMERCIAL TRUCKS THAT ISUZU PRODUCED FOR A LOT OF OTHER COUNTRIES , , THEY WERE ALL MOST ALL EXCLUSIVLY GEAR DRIVE PUMPS ON COMMERCIAL TYPE ENGS INSTEAD OF A BELT FOR LACK OF MAINTAINCE REASON MOSTLY, WHAT IS ODD IS THE TURBO SETUP, ON THAT ENG , LOOKS ABOUT IDENTICAL TO THE 86-87 ENGS, I WILL SEE IF I CAN FIND ANY SPEC ON IT ,

THE OLDEST ENGENEERING MANUALS I HAVE ON THOSE ENG ONLY GO BACK TO 87, AND THEY SHOW THE LATER C223 DESIGNS, AND ALL SHOW TO BE INDIRECT INJ ONE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS THAT ENG WAS USED IN AN OFF ROAD APPLICATION, DID IT HAVE NORMAL LOOKING FLYWHEEL ON IT

WHEN I WAS IN S AFRICA IN 90-91 THERE WERE A LOT OF NPR SIZED TRUCK THERE WITH THE C223 ENGS IN THEM BUT I NEVER NOTICED THE PUMP. . SETUP NOR THE TURBO

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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby GeoRoadram » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:17 pm

Hi Jerry,
Thanks so much for your reply, it certainly is a conversation piece if nothing else! Maybe if I clean it up a bit, it would make a nice coffee table! Anyway, I was thinking the same thing about it being imported from another country. Initially I thought it was Japan, but the more I am learning, it may be from Indonesia, Australia, or somewhere else. I do think it probably came from a Pup or Trooper, only because of the location of the heater core hoses near the back of the engine. They look like they would match up to a Pup or Trooper firewall. And since it has a 4WD oil pan, maybe a Trooper?
There are some numbers on the injection pump, the silver sticker says 894132-3391, and below it 104740-1051. However, to the left of those numbers are some that appear stamped on the pump. Those are different- 104640-1031. Does that make any sense to you? Or maybe Paul may know something?
Were C223T's sold after 1987 in any other countries? Or were they only producing 4JB1's in the late 80's and early 1990's? And just out of curiosity, what happened to all the C223 molds, dies, and machines after Isuzu stopped making them? Were they destroyed? Or sold to some other country? Just wondering. I have an older Korean Daewoo forklift engine that looks almost identical to a C223 or a C240.
Thanks again Jerry for the info. It is an honor to hear from the official Guru.
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby downunderyank » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:40 pm

Just read this post and wanted to say I just pulled apart an c223t from an 86 Holden jackaroo and it has chrome sleeves and gear driven timing too. It could have come from Australia.
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Re: Factory Gear Driven C223T from Japan

Postby GeoRoadram » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:40 am

Thanks for the info, very interesting ! Wow.. can not believe it has been four years since I posted those pictures. Engine ended up having a massive rod knock, pulled it back out and removed oil pan, one of the rod bearings was gone. Completely disintegrated and missing, with small pieces in the oil pan and other pieces floating around somewhere else. Sanded crank with emery paper to smooth it out, and replaced egg shaped piston rod and bearing with spares that I had. Put everything back together, reinstalled in vehicle, and test drove. Engine runs but smokes a bit, and gets hot after about fifteen minutes. Also makes a squealing sound occasionally, as if a piece of broken rod bearing is stuck somewhere it is not supposed to be. Not sure what is wrong with it and I had many other projects to get done, so there it sits ! Hope to get to it someday, but it has taught me a very valuable life lesson. When something seems too good to be true.... it usually is. But at least I have a very rare and unique boat anchor !
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