Rebuild time

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Re: Rebuild time

Postby robgt22 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:24 pm

Ok people, tomorrow is the day, already replaced oil line and wired QOS controller. So nervous :D :D
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby Wjbs16 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:22 pm

I am new to the site and could us some help/advice. I am looking for a crankshaft for my 2.2 diesel. I wasn't sure if I should have it turned or try to find a another one. It is out of the factory specs. The previous owner told us the truck only had 85,000 miles and would drive anywhere, but my son (college student) took it to school (we purchased the truck for him) and it didn't even make it there. He pulled the engine and is now looking at a rebuild. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Rebuild time

Postby FiatSpider2 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:31 am

Wjbs16 wrote:I am new to the site and could us some help/advice. I am looking for a crankshaft for my 2.2 diesel. I wasn't sure if I should have it turned or try to find a another one. It is out of the factory specs. The previous owner told us the truck only had 85,000 miles and would drive anywhere, but my son (college student) took it to school (we purchased the truck for him) and it didn't even make it there. He pulled the engine and is now looking at a rebuild. Any help would be appreciated.


I am not trying to insult your son however the 2.2 diesels are not really interstate screamers and won't last long if pushing high revs so unless your son is a very reserved driver compared to the other college kids the low rev 2.2 diesel may not be the best choice for him.

There are national shops that have full kits with machined cranks along with the matching bearings all set up out there that sell them in the $200 price range which I believe accounts for about a $100 core credit. Not sure about the cost of new.

When you do the crank consider replacing the oil pump to protect that investment and be sure to use a good diesel motor oil.
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby Halden » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:23 am

FiatSpider2 wrote: I am not trying to insult your son however the 2.2 diesels are not really interstate screamers and won't last long if pushing high revs so unless your son is a very reserved driver compared to the other college kids the low rev 2.2 diesel may not be the best choice for him.


I beg to differ. I know of some trucks that have been run ridiculously hard and they still run just fine. A few hundred thousand miles of that treatment in fact. I know of one that's done quite a bit of redline running too. My truck cruises down the freeway turning over 3000 RPM and has always done that being a 4 speed 4x4.

With low mileage you're looking at not many oil changes in 30 years. It's probably not his driving habits. My dad ran our other one at 80 down to SLC and back a few times. Drove the crap out of that thing. Ran great.
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby FiatSpider2 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:01 pm

Halden,

Key is that your Dad maintained and always ran the truck and did not pick up a little used 30 year old one and start pushing it on the interstate. Too many don't realize that unless you have an overhead cam that the red line on these diesel trucks is very low compared to a gasoline engine. To me the warning bells go off when I see a very old vehicle with extremely low miles since unless it was very fanatically maintained chances are that it has a build up of sludge in it and really needs to be serviced thoroughly before being driven at all never mind by a youth who may be too inexperienced to know any better. It was pull the valve cover and oil pan time to put that vehicle back in service. Who knows it may have just needed the crud around the oil pickup cleaned up before it was driven. Crank kits are available so this should be repairable however there may be oil passages that may need to be cleaned out in the block and head along with cam and other bearings replaced before the truck begins serving daily driver duty.
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby OzarkDaredevil » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:46 pm

IIRC the C223 redline is 4,200 RPM. I've had my truck to 65 MPH. It sounded like it was screaming but actually that's still below max revs.
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby JoeIsuzu » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:49 pm

Halden wrote:
FiatSpider2 wrote: I am not trying to insult your son however the 2.2 diesels are not really interstate screamers and won't last long if pushing high revs so unless your son is a very reserved driver compared to the other college kids the low rev 2.2 diesel may not be the best choice for him.


I beg to differ. I know of some trucks that have been run ridiculously hard and they still run just fine. A few hundred thousand miles of that treatment in fact. I know of one that's done quite a bit of redline running too. My truck cruises down the freeway turning over 3000 RPM and has always done that being a 4 speed 4x4.

With low mileage you're looking at not many oil changes in 30 years. It's probably not his driving habits. My dad ran our other one at 80 down to SLC and back a few times. Drove the crap out of that thing. Ran great.

Halden, just because it ran great doesn't mean there's not damage. Mine "ran great" and had some 85 mph stretches on the way to Jerry's place--with almost a dime-sized hole in a piston. :?:

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Re: Rebuild time

Postby Halden » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:42 pm

I do realize that it can run great and have damage, I'm pretty sure I don't have any piston rings left, but it still fires up on cold Idaho days at almost 5000. I dunno I guess I'm kinda touchy, us young guys get picked on sometimes :)
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby robgt22 » Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:19 pm

Well as you've heard, an engine can run fine but that doesn't mine it doen's have any damage. Mine ran just fine, didn't make any strange noise and I put a lot of miles on it. An engine can have low miles, but you don't know how well previous owner took care of it, and that was my case. Engine had a lot of sludge inside, it looks like it even was overheated as we found some rings being stuck. Damage was bigger than expected, that's why I decided to make a complete rebuild. In the case of the crankshaft, unless it's broken, you can grind it and just add a higher meassure bearings. mine was stock, so now we installed .25. If the crank is out of specs, that means engine ran without lubrication and that really hurts crank and bearings. I recommend to open the engine completely, clean every passage with fuel (Yes, fuel, not diesel) and then install the new crank and bearings.
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby robgt22 » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:02 pm

Ok people so I've been trying to wire the QOS system, but the controller would give a second or two output and then shut, when I try to start the engine, it won't start, meaning it doesn't preheat enough time. The thermo switch is working just fine. Any ideas?

Oh and the glowplug light keeps turned on, and there is no energy to the glowplugs.
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby robgt22 » Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:34 pm

So after checking what's going wrong... I found out my glowplugs are 10.5V, and system runs on 5V. Been searching online but it looks like they are out of stock. Anyone knows where can I find them??
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby JoeIsuzu » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:07 pm

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Re: Rebuild time

Postby Halden » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:48 am

robgt22 wrote:So after checking what's going wrong... I found out my glowplugs are 10.5V, and system runs on 5V. Been searching online but it looks like they are out of stock. Anyone knows where can I find them??



You can go to about any auto parts store and they will have them
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby robgt22 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:27 am

So I finally completed the break in, everything is OK now, total cost was $ 1,974.00, a lot more than I expected but at least I have an engine that I expect to last +10 years. Here's a small tip, if you feel like your c223 is not pulling really well uphill, although it's not an engine for speeding, you might have a clogged cat converter. Feel free to ask any question about the rebuild. Cheers
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Re: Rebuild time

Postby JoeIsuzu » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:53 am

robgt22 wrote:Here's a small tip, if you feel like your c223 is not pulling really well uphill, although it's not an engine for speeding, you might have a clogged cat converter.
Glad it worked out well, and that price is not bad at all. But WHAT is that reference to a "cat converter" about? The C223 doesn't have a catalytic converter.

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