Engine plate?

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Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:10 pm

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I bought this running 2.2 diesel engine a couple of weeks ago and just got to cleaning on it and found this plate looks like a patch to me, wondering if anyone has seen this before? I believe the engine is out of a 81 or 82 pup

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Paul » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:42 pm

I have never seen a plate like that on any of several C223 engines.

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:55 pm

It’s not in the water jacket I’m going to drop the oil pan look

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby FiatSpider2 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:50 am

Unfortunately that looks like a repair plate to seal off a crack in the block perhaps from insufficient antifreeze. Looks like they have a few tack welds in the corners too.

Yes I have seen it done on a good number of engines. Some hold well while others are nothing but trouble.

Aside from the patch how does the engine run?
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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:31 pm

I removed the freeze plug by it and found that it's not in the cooling system, when I bought the engine it was sitting on the ground and only ran it for a few seconds. When I get a chance I'm going to remove the oil pan and take a look.

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby FiatSpider2 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:23 am

Airplanedoc wrote:I removed the freeze plug by it and found that it's not in the cooling system, when I bought the engine it was sitting on the ground and only ran it for a few seconds. When I get a chance I'm going to remove the oil pan and take a look.


Then I hope it was not a piston failure that allowed the top end of the rod to crack the block. Yes you'll want to get eyes on the inside of that crankcase to vet it all out before putting any more time, money or effort into it.

Hopefully you'll find everything inside more professionally taken care of then a metal plate with what looks on the surface to be self drilling hex head screws holding it in place.
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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:32 pm

Finally got around to pulling the oil pan and found the block has a hole and also found this in the oil pan
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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Paul » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 pm

That looks like one of the two crankshaft thrust bearings. Don't know how it might have come adrift.

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:23 am

Do they go on the back of the crank or front?

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby 2sk8 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:01 pm

Oh my god, you have a franken motor! Those are hard to find, mostly made in Transylvania.

And that is a thrush washer, how it got loose? How knows but it only means trouble.

Now, I would just take the whole thing a part and inspect further.

If the whole is just on the block you can fix it the right way. You'll be surprise what can be fixed.

Here is a good place to buy supplies to fix that whole, lots of videos, big wholes in cast iron being fixed (Good stuff) :

https://www.muggyweld.com/

I would remove that plate and do it the right way. Other wise that crack would just get bigger and longer...

Take a part, inspect and decide best approach.

Please keep the forum inform about the progress.

Good luck

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:11 pm

Thanks for the information let’s a spare engine so I’ll work on it when I have free time

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Re: Engine plate?

Postby gearbox » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:46 am

Blocks that are out of spec. and need to be bored and sleeved are cheep . I have one laying in the scrap with the cam in it you could have . long way to come for a $ 100 core .
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Re: Engine plate?

Postby downunderyank » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:55 am

You can send a whole pallet with a complete engine and transmission through fastenal to most places in the US for $200. If it were mine, i'd pull it apart and salvage the crank and rods if they're good but there are too many perfectly fine c223 blocks kicking around to waste much time or money on one with a hole in it. I've got new oversize pistons for a c223 if you decide to rebuild one.
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Re: Engine plate?

Postby Airplanedoc » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:36 pm

I’m going to eventually take it apart and decide what I want to do with it.